Tuesday, 5 October 2010

Could UKIP be Britain's electoral Tea Party?

Simon Richards, a good man and Director of The Freedom Association has set up the British Tea Party, an initiative he hopes will represent those who believe they are "Taxed Enough Already" in a right-wing cross-party manner. Tory MEP Dan Hannan helped launch the initiative some months ago to what was I understand a packed house.

The trouble is, as seen recently, where the American Tea Party is really hitting where it hurts is at the ballot box by winning primaries across America. The Tea Party movement has the politicians and the media taking notice because it looks set to elect Senators and Congressman as official Republican Party candidates, but whose roots lay in the fast developing sub-layer of the Republicans known as the Tea Party.

And so the real question is in Britain, where will the electoral version of the British Tea Party come? Will a young band of small government, libertarian-minded politicians rise up the Conservative Party and challenge David Cameron's social democratic strategy that rages against much of what Tony Blair and New Labour did without proposing too much that differentiates it in terms of what role government plays in people's lives. Or will the "third Party" effect come into play, with a more domestically focused UKIP pressing forward to argue that the size of the state has grown too large under New Labour while simultaneously exposing the Conservatives' lack of real ideological urgency at the top of the Party in bringing lower taxes and a smaller state.

Perhaps, if UKIP doesn't pursue this line aggressively enough and the libertarians within the Tory Party don't gain more prominence, neither will happen. One thing is for sure though: there is a real debate, whether you talk about the welfare state, quangos or the growth of public sector jobs that nobody is banging the drum loudly enough at present that it is time for the government to stop taking so much and spending so much.

6 comments:

Kitto said...

One of my biggest worries for UKIP was that Daniel Hannan et al would have the Tories spearheading any kind of Tea Party UK, but with Red Ed elected, Call me Dave can afford to stay in middle ground, and the onus is on UKIP now.

Sean Howlett said...

It would be very helpful if we had open primaries in the UK becaause then we would be able to throw a hard punch at the mainstream politicians like the have in the USA

htfc-loyalist said...

First off, Dan Hannan does not represent the view of the mainstream Tory party, neither do Philip Hollobone or Douglas Carswell for that matter. It would be handy if we could get more Tory MP's backing this movement in order to get it some more credibility. Let's hope we in UKIP push this issue to the maximum.

Anonymous said...

"…it is time for the government to stop taking so much and spending so much” But Britain is now a nation of welfare junkies. Welfarism is in Britons’ DNA. Witness the furore over yesterday’s proposed cuts to Child Benefit.

There is an old saying "capitalism will eat itself" to which I reply "perhaps, but the welfare state will gorge itself to death first".

And it’s true Michael. The social democratic welfare state is completely unaffordable or ‘unsustainable’ [to use the word beloved of the environmental watermelons] in the longer term. It will collapse in on itself and bring all the other socialist crap and bullshit tumbling down with it. One more economic catastrophe and one more Labour government should just about do it.

Some Tories are starting to realise this. Nick Boles in his book "Which Way’s Up" makes the point…

"We will not be able to sustain a social contract in which schooling and healthcare are provided to all citizens free of charge and are funded by taxation if we continue to allow, every year, hundreds of thousands of people from around the world to join the queues at A and E and send their children to British schools. Nor can we sit back while eight million British citizens of working age are either shun or shut out from all forms of useful economic activity because employers can find migrant workers who will accept subsistence wages to do menial jobs"

This is so obvious it shouldn’t need saying. The fact that it does highlights the 'quality' of debate in the UK today.

jgw2001 said...

It would never happen.

You have to remember a lot of members left the UKIP to start the libertarian party as there came disillusioned with the UKIP.

I see on the front page the UKIP claim to take a libertarian agenda, however if you want freedom you can't pick and choose. You have to accept full freedom or not at all. Turning around with ideas such as "banning the burqa" or your anti drugs message goes against freedom.

To me the tea party stands for freedom, and line which was took by the tea party in America. That is the freedom to do what you want with out the use of force on others.

If you decide to take drugs, that is your freedom, however with freedom comes responsibilities. Take drugs but don't expect Mr X to pay for your health care costs or housing benefits funded via the use of force (TAX)

Off course you can turn around and issue an anti drugs law, millions of tax payers money is forcefully (theft) is taken away to inforce these laws.

If its OK to issue laws to interfere with one group of people, then would it be OK for another group of people to issue laws which interference in your life. Oh then after a good few years 1000s of laws have passed and virtually we might as well say good bye to freedom.

If the UKIP accepts freedom, then it needs to take a more libertarian views on things. Remember, it is the BNP wanting to merge with the UKIP party.

jgw2001 said...

It would never happen.

You have to remember a lot of members left the UKIP to start the libertarian party as there came disillusioned with the UKIP.

I see on the front page the UKIP claim to take a libertarian agenda, however if you want freedom you can't pick and choose. You have to accept full freedom or not at all. Turning around with ideas such as "banning the burqa" or your anti drugs message goes against freedom.

To me the tea party stands for freedom, and line which was took by the tea party in America. That is the freedom to do what you want with out the use of force on others.

If you decide to take drugs, that is your freedom, however with freedom comes responsibilities. Take drugs but don't expect Mr X to pay for your health care costs or housing benefits funded via the use of force (TAX)

Off course you can turn around and issue an anti drugs law, millions of tax payers money is forcefully (theft) is taken away to inforce these laws.

If its OK to issue laws to interfere with one group of people, then would it be OK for another group of people to issue laws which interference in your life. Oh then after a good few years 1000s of laws have passed and virtually we might as well say good bye to freedom.

If the UKIP accepts freedom, then it needs to take a more libertarian views on things. Remember, it is the BNP wanting to merge with the UKIP party.